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21. "make that booter without confusion?"
Apr-15-03, 04:45 AM (EST)
more on booters

you decided to install Windows 2000 Professional in one of your Computers.
However, booting from the CD-ROM of that computer is not supported.
To continue the installation using the CD, Windows 2000 Professional setup disks are needed. These boot disks can be used to boot up that computer so that the CD-ROM driver will be loaded to make the CD-ROM accessible. When trying to boot from the setup disks, you found that one of them is damaged.

You can create a set of Setup Boot disks(4 of them) by running Makeboot.exe or Makebt32.exe from the \Bootdisk directory on the Windows 2000 Professional installation CD-ROM.

Makeboot.exe is a 16-bit DOS application that runs on MS-DOS, 16-bit operating systems and 32-bit Operating Systems (Normally, a 32-Bit Operating system should be able to run a 16-bit program and 16 bits Operating system will not able to run a 32 bits program).

Makebt32.exe is a 32-bit application that runs on Windows NT and Windows 2000, exceptionally Windows 9x cannot use Makebt32.exe although, in theory, it should be able to do so since it is a 32 bits operating system. It could be difficult for one to accept the fact that Windows 9x cannot run makebt32.exe, but makebt32.exe cannot be started in Windows 9x.

Note: Example for 16-bit Operating System is Windows 3.x, whereas 32-bit Operating Systems include Windows 9x, Windows NT, Windows 2000 and XP.

thus, one the following will help you to create the setup disks.

Use one of the computers that is running Windows 2000 Professional to create the setup disks by using the MAKEBT32.EXE.

Use one of the computers that is running Windows NT to create the setup disks by using MAKEBT32.EXE

Use one of the computers that is running Windows 98 to create the setup disks by using MAKEBOOT.EXE

Use one of the computers that is running Windows 2000 Professional to create the setup disks by using MAKEBOOT.EXE.

References:
http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/deploy/upgrdmigrate/instw2ks.asp

(these technet articles are a real treasure trove of knowledge)

also make the REPAIR floppy (or make it current)
it can save your day one day
http://www.cybertechhelp.com/html/tutorials/tutorial.php/id/50

Kind regards, Jaak


 

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22. "drive manufactor downloads"
Apr-15-03, 04:46 AM (EST)
just a note about drive manufactors' drive manager utilities.

I noticed that all previous links to samsung (and to their version of ontrack's diskmanager) have broken

I've also noticed that some harddrive manufactors will ask that you provide the drive model number or serial number when you want to download the drivemanager tool for one of their hard disks.
This is because of licencing.
(They mention they have to pay per download... so this kinda makes sense)

So, if you got a diskette along with your hard drive, take good care of it.
If you do not have a diskette, get it while you can.
(you may one day need it, and it could become unavailable).

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You may not even see a download link.
For instance, you won't see one at http://www.excelstor.com
But, if you buy excelstor drives, you can email support through the contact us link, and ask for a drivemanager.
I got a 60Gb excelstor hard drive yesterday, and I emailed them explaining that I wanted a tool like EZdisk or maxblast because I still use windows 98.
I got swift response, with attached tool.
I am posting this so that windows 9x users know they can get the tool if they buy this brand.
(this excelstore disk looks a LOT like an IBM.)

Kind regards, Jaak


 

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23. "a file got corrupted? Extract the original."
Apr-15-03, 04:48 AM (EST)
Hello again,

we all know that there are times one has to extract a file from the CDROM because the original got damaged.

In Windows, one can use system file check tool, but in a real crisis, when windows won't launch, one can extract files from a DOS commandline.

A great many people do not have copies of the cabinets on their hard disk, and they need access to the CDROM.
This means that one can do this from a floppy with CDROM support, or by booting from the CD.
When you boot from that EBD or "start disk" you made, you find EXT and/or EXTRACT executables available to you.

note;
when you look for EXT.EXE on your floppy, and do not find it, that is because EXT.exe is found in ebd.cab, and the "start disk" extracts it to the RAMDRIVE (which makes it available to you).
The EBD has it on the floppy itself.

These two tools are different, but both can do the job.

While using EXTRACT.exe I found that for cabnames, you can use a wildcard option, and that the tool will search the file in the possible candidates rather than just one cabinet
Because FE and SE put files in different cabinets, using this /A option is quite useful.

For extract in DOS, adding the /? option presents you some help.

extract /?

Microsoft ® Cabinet Extraction Tool - Version (16) 1.00.603.0 (08/14/97)
Copyright © Microsoft Corp 1994-1997. All rights reserved.

EXTRACT [/Y] [/A] [/D | /E] [/L dir] cabinet [filename ...]
EXTRACT [/Y] source
EXTRACT [/Y] /C source destination

cabinet - Cabinet file (contains two or more files).
filename - Name of the file to extract from the cabinet.
Wild cards and multiple filenames (separated by
blanks) may be used.

source - Compressed file (a cabinet with only one file).
newname - New filename to give the extracted file.
If not supplied, the original name is used.

/A Process ALL cabinets. Follows cabinet chain
starting in first cabinet mentioned.
/C Copy source file to destination (to copy from DMF disks).
/D Display cabinet directory (use with filename to avoid extract).
/E Extract (use instead of *.* to extract all files).
/L dir Location to place extracted files (default is current directory).
/Y Do not prompt before overwriting an existing file.
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EXT behaves much different
you just hit enter after typing EXT
you direct it to the folder where your cabinets are in, and it asks what file you want to extract
then it asks where you want it extracted to

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When you run SFC in windows to extract a single file, you can point the tool to the folder containing your cabinets.

Knowing what cabinet a file is in is useful, and I once grabbed these two full listings off the net.
They are no longer up there, and Microsoft splits them up which is not as easy....
I feel having a full list available at all times is useful, and here they are.
cabcontent SECOND Edition

cabcontent FIRST edition
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for gentlebeings making use of windows win 95 and ME
Here is a site where I found some information on the various windows versions.
It deals with modem problems first, but scroll down and you see it also has links to cabinet contents for various versions, and some extraction methods are explained better than I can do it.
(Notice that the EXT tool is not mentioned there, but I think you will remember it is available to you when a crisis hits.)

http://www.modem-help.co.uk/help/cab.html

Kind regards, Jaak


 

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24. "RE: a file got corrupted? Extract the original."
Apr-15-03, 08:25 AM (EST)
LAST EDITED ON Apr-15-03 AT 03:51 PM (EDT)
 
For whatever it's worth, thank you, thank you, thank you....

boots

Edit: And Ren too, yep.


 

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25. "RE: a file got corrupted? Extract the original."
Apr-15-03, 04:28 PM (EST)
Let me second boots thanks jt. This is a subject all beginners and I imagine seasoned users too can always learn a thing or two.

Super job!

Ms.A

Excuse me. Would you pick that up for me please?
I seem to keep loosing my head!


 

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26. "RE: a file got corrupted? Extract the original."
Apr-15-03, 06:07 PM (EST)
Greetings, Jaak!

Can you settle the puzzle once and for all?

Did the name "butter" come about because some pronounced "booter" as boo-ter?? I certainly can see how that could happen in German.

BTW, Jaak is a tireless helper. He helped me with some computer problems a couple of years ago that lasted many, many days! I was clueless! He hung in there when others did not.

I guess it's the Flemish in him!!

Janusz
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27. "where that name came from"
Apr-15-03, 06:18 PM (EST)
But, but, but...
It's getting the boot from that booter, which is like it gets kicked in the butt to get it going.
Yes, booter sounds similar to boter (our word for butter), and because the word BUT is used a LOT throughout, and because we had some fun with mach2's toasters and versions of buttered golden toasts in days long gone...

It struck me as funny, and it stuck.

Hey guys, I have to mention you can thank Mark for doing the conversion from UBB style to the style used here.

Kind regards, Jaak


 

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28. "RE: the XP experience"
Apr-19-03, 10:11 AM (EST)
Hello Jaak
exactly what I was searching for, Ren pointed it to me

my presetn concern lies in the XP pro MBR

I will follow your lead and create that great floppy
(better that restarting with BIOS changed in order to boot from CD, which of course is still my second option)

however here is my main quest: How from XP can a I save on a floppy the actual MBR
and then overwrite a possibly "Brain Dead MBR!" with the saved one

thanks again for you great posts (as usual)

cheers

Henry


 

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29. "RE: the XP experience"
Apr-20-03, 06:29 AM (EST)
LAST EDITED ON Aug-25-06 AT 08:46 PM (EDT) by ADZIRK (moderator)
 
Dear Sir

I take it you want to save the MBR to file on floppy (or other drive)

mbrworks can do this
Norton utilities and antivirus can do this.
Partitiontable and bootrecord gets saved to the rescue disk, and this is the method I have used most.
gdisk can do this (comes with ghost)
PQ-magic can do this

anyway, I just copied the system root files from XP to a freshly formatted "stiffy".
(to do this, folderoptions must be set to show system files and hidden files.)
Just like the article mentioned, that stiffy then booted right into XP.
This system does not have a dual-boot option, but I am sure that it would have shown the bootmenu... After all, in 98/XP dualboot, when you format win98 partition (or delete these files), you don't get that bootmenu no more.

I am NOT sure about what it would do with LILO

Kind regards, Jaak


 

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